Bitcoin heretics Vin Armani and Steven Zeiler talk candidly in a live-recorded interview about the new types of businesses that bitcoin makes possible. Vin is the Founder and CEO of CoinText, and Steven is the founder and CEO of Anypay. Both are businesses made possible by the innovation of programmable money. Specifically, they are “non-custodial financial services” businesses. The conversation is light and fun and for a while focusses on getting real nightclubs into space and the challenges that come with zero gravity experiences. Vin gets Steven to dive deep into his personal journey from early Bitcoin OG working at a small startup that would eventually become Ripple, a major player in the crypto economy, to becoming an entrepreneur and founding his own company, Anypay.